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Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 03:48 am:   

Hello again

the Reading 2101 is retired to static display, it was in the roundhouse when it caught fire, and due to possible stress and metal fatigue due to the fire, the engine was permanently retired


Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 03:43 am:   

Hello Everyone: I see too many people concearned about the value of these trains, isn't there anyone who wants to run them?

The lionel HO scale 4-8-4 GS Locomotives were made by Bachmann for Lionel, they are a bit dated as far as running locomotives, Bowser made an update kit for them which helps a lot,

as for value, it depends, if the engine is complete with the box and paperwork, and if the engine is in mint to nr mint condition

Lionel Versions

Chessie system $50.00 - $125.00

Freedom Train $50.00 - $150.00

Southern Pacific $50.00 - $100.00

Western Pacific $50.00 - $200.00

this is actual selling prices at train shows, ebay and train stores, this is not from some crappy price guide,

if the engine is complete with the tender, minus the box and paperwork $40.00 and up

all of these above mentioned engines were available in sets by both Bachmann and Lionel, except the Western Pacific, the Western Pacific engine was available by itself and is hard to find complete and in good condition.

Bachmann parts will work on these engines, just in case you need to rebuild one, and if you want to repower them, as I stated earlier, Bowser makes a kit to do it, if not contact bachmann for a newer repowering kit.

I hope this helps people

take care

Ted Myers
Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 02:37 am:   

hello, i am in posseion of 2 Lionel Ho GS-4 Northern 4-8-4 locomotive and tender trains both a new and in package, one is a southern pacific daylight 5-6500 orange and red in color with the numbers 4454 on the engine and southen pacific on the tender. the other a red white and blue with the the numbers 4449 on the engine and american freedom train on the tender. what do i have here, are they worth anything? both are in all origional packaging and never used. My mom is dying to know what we have here! thanks for listening, anyone who knows anything at all can contact Ted xxakaataxx@aol.com

rainey lee lewis
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Posted on Friday, December 30, 2005 - 02:38 pm:   

you know i am doing research on the gs-3 and gs-4 i am very fond of the ameracian freedom train if it is a model and consist of 22 cars it must be pretty expensive

Lori Kerwin
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 11:28 am:   

I have 3 trains that I would like to know what they are worth. If anyone can help me I would appreciate it. Lionel H.o. GS-4 Northern 4-8-4 Locomotive and tender, Freedom train #5-6501 signed by engineer Doyle McCormock in box. Second train is AHM/Rivarossi GG1 locomotive Pennsylvania #4935 ( #1017 of 2700 made) in wooden box. Last is a Roundhouse 50' Auto car Silver anniversary to commerorate the 25th anniversary of NMRA, in box from mailing. Any info is appreciated. tails@iwc.net

Benjamin P. Mc Knew
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Posted on Sunday, August 15, 2004 - 10:05 am:   

Jman, the main reason the RDG 2101 was used here in the East was because of clearances: bridges, tunnels, overhead wires, ect. I want to point out that locomoitve was pulled from a scrap yard in junk condition, and under freash paint, in steam, and ready to roll in 30 days. A feat I don't think anyone has matched since.

Paul Dana
Posted on Saturday, August 14, 2004 - 11:56 pm:   

Jman --

The prototype American Freedom Train consisted of a total of 22 cars, most of which were converted from baggage/express cars. Twelve of these cars were converted into display cars which carried various artifacts (ranging from the Bill of Rights to a moom rock) representative of the nation's first 200 years. The remaining cars were crew/staff and support cars.

The locomotive in your trainset, former Southern Pacific GS-4 #4449, was originally intended to be the only locomotive powering this train across the country, but delays in her restoration necessitated two other steamers -- Reading's former #2101 (renumbered to #1 for the occasion) and Nickel Plate's former #610 -- being pressed into service as well.

At two points in the AFT's journey, alternative motive power was employed: during the train's initial departure from Philadelphia, a pair of ex-PRR GG-1's navigated the train through the railyards, and Burlington Northern diesels powered the train to a pair of later appearances while 4449 underwent an unscheduled maintenance.

The American Freedom Train visited all 48 contiguous states between early 1975 and November 1976, after which the cars were sold to Canada for their "Discovery Train" and the engines went elsewhere. All three locomotives are still somewhat active, while the last of the AFT cars were scrapped in 1997.

Hope this helps.


Denis Long
Posted on Friday, July 23, 2004 - 09:48 am:   

Hello Jman,
The locomotive is a Southern Pacific, streamlined, passenger engine. This loco was used to pull, primarily, the SP Daylight trains. I don't know that SP repainted their remaining GS-4 to Freedom Train specifications, but the Freedom Train was a way the railroads commerated the birth of our country 200 years later.
This is a good place to start asking your other questions.

Posted on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 04:29 pm:   

I am a recent owner of a Lionel HO GS-4 American Freedom Train 4-8-4
Locomotive and Tender and more. Please help me with information about
what I have. I am in the process of assembling a train set. My biggest
problem is that I am blind and I have more questions but I don't know
who to ask.

Any help would be appreciated


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